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@San若梦 2017-08-24 23:53:48 @周一沉 ， @镜水中天 你俩有在跟读我的译文么？若有什么疑问，希望能提出来，别嫌烦哈。那样能最好地帮我找到最合适的表达。 现在刚译完约四分之一，内容我自己基本上都搞得懂（95%以上吧），但是对于我的表达能否让读者也很容易读懂，实在没多大把握。 读不懂的原因不外乎有二，一是内容本身太深奥难懂，二是译文表达不清使人难懂。前者在我的控制之外，我无能为力，但后者就完全在我的掌控之内，我...... ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-25 03:11:03 嗯尽量尽量 ----------------------------- @镜水中天 2017-08-25 18:39:41 对我来说，原文读起来太费劲，所以基本只读译文。 ----------------------------- 我说的就是译文。读起来有什么疑问，哪里感觉不通的，等等，请尽管提问。 |
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@San若梦 2017-08-25 13:58:42 Imprinting is triggered by a specific perceptual stimulus which can be varied within certain limits. Lorenz' classic experiment demonstrated that the mother-following reaction in newly-hatched mallard ducklings can be manipulated experimentally to become imprinted to any substitute object that has the correct height-width ratio and moves. When he squatted and substituted himself for the duckling's mother, the birds followed him, and only him, around with the same devotion they would otherwise exhibit for their own mother. Lorenz similarly imprinted newly hatched jackdaws and found that when these birds reached sexual maturity, they imprinted not another jackdaw but a human being as sexual partner, courting either Lorenz or some other person. ----------------------------- 刻印被一种特定的、有知觉的刺激引发，这种刺激在一定范围内可变。洛伦佐的经典实验显示出，刚孵出来的雏凫效仿母凫的反应，可以被实验性地操控，雏凫能被任何长宽比例正确且能移动的替代物刻印上。当他蹲伏着用他自己替代母凫时，雏凫们跟随着他，也只有对以同样的专心致志围绕身边的他，雏凫们才展示出对它们自己母亲一样的反应。洛伦佐用相似方法刻印了刚孵出来的寒鸦，发现当这些鸟儿们长到性成熟时，它们不是把另外的寒鸦，而是人类当作性伴侣，向洛伦佐或别人求爱。 |
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Green and Money then continue to draw these conclusions: Aberrations of gender role may represent misprinting, so to speak, in which a more or less normal response, that of identifying with and impersonating a specific human being, becomes associated with the wrong perceptual stimulus. Among animals, good and poor imprinters can be bred. Perhaps, therefore, those human cases of gender role disorder which come to our attention are examples of people especially prone to fall victims of their particular environment. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-26 00:28:58 Green and Money then continue to draw these conclusions: Aberrations of gender role may represent misprinting, so to speak, in which a more or less normal response, that of identifying with and impersonating a specific human being, becomes associated with the wrong perceptual stimulus. Among animals, good and poor imprinters can be bred. Perhaps, therefore, those human cases of gender role disorder which come to our attention are examples of people especially prone to fall victims of their particular environment. ----------------------------- Green and Money于是继续得出这些结论： 性角色的偏差也许代表着误刻印，也就是说在此过程中，一个多少算正常的反应——将某个特定的人视为同类并刻意模仿——与一种错误的、有知觉的刺激联结起来。在动物里，好的和不好的刻印者都能产生。那么也许，那些引起我们关注的人类性别错位的案例，其实是有人尤其是受害者被他们的特定环境（误刻印）的例证。 |
| The authors very clearly indicate here the possibility of an inherited predisposition for imprinting and naturally for its consequences. They found among their patients an "infrequency of forceful parental dominance in the household" and also "the relatively fragile body build of many of these boys." |
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@周一沉 2017-08-24 05:32:08 所以呢，所谓美.分是真实存在的，夸美扁那谁会被删，夸那谁扁美也会被删，独.立.思.考的真话是不受媒体老板欢迎的。fake news充斥全世界，可怜的床破。 ----------------------------- @San若梦 2017-08-24 06:12:55 床破及其一伙子、一家子，难道不是fake news最大的制造者和受益者吗？ 一沉你再这么不顾及基本事实地胡诌，我真就要把花魁给唤来了哈～～：） @花魁花魁花魁 @顶帖滴顶帖滴顶帖滴 ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-24 06:16:36 错！现在操.纵话语权的绝对不是床破！所以床破只能靠twitter，而国内几大门户网站的幕后与美.帝的fake news幕后是同一只黑手！ ----------------------------- @San若梦 2017-08-24 23:02:21 好吧，就用这帖来说说。 【而国内几大门户网站的幕后与美.帝的fake news幕后是同一只黑.手！】——这个结论下得何其的气壮山河！ 一般情况下，要让我相信如此惊世的结论，没有几十年时间的沉淀，没有海量的证据支撑，没有几个几十个的诉讼官司打下来，没有一个甚至几个国.家高度的特别调查组（比如现在正在调查床破及其家族是否与俄有涉的特别调查组）给出结论，基本是不可能。 ----------------------------- San若梦： 2017-08-24 23:04:32 评论 这是前面被删的34楼，存档了一大半，补完、编辑一下再发一遍。 ----------------------------- 镜水中天： 2017-08-25 18:36:18 评论 阴谋论只凭想象就可以了。 ----------------------------- 这帖一沉还回了的（35楼，也已被删），大意就是说我需要这些的话，那不会有的。 我想跟一沉说的是，虽然很难，但还是有可能有的。《台海之恋》那本书最后我写过一起案例，跟现在我们讨论的议题有关联，待会儿有时间了去找出来给你看。 |
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@San若梦 2017-08-26 01:20:00 The authors very clearly indicate here the possibility of an inherited predisposition for imprinting and naturally for its consequences. They found among their patients an "infrequency of forceful parental dominance in the household" and also "the relatively fragile body build of many of these boys." ----------------------------- 作者在此很清楚地指明了刻印及其后果的一种遗传性倾向的可能性。他们在自己的病人中发现一种“非经常性的家庭内强有力的父母霸权”，以及“这些男孩中许多相对纤弱的体魄”。 |
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@周一沉 2017-08-26 06:41:16 关于共济会，它的存在本身不是秘密，不需要任何怀疑，因为Toronto就有一所会馆。 ----------------------------- 我从来没怀疑过共济会的存在啊！还有那些门户网站上市公司的公开信息，我也没怀疑过啊！ 问题是你自己看看你的原话嘛！重点在哪里？重点在这里呀：【而国内几大门户网站的幕后与美.帝的fake news幕后是同一只黑.手！】 这么个惊世骇俗的结论，就凭你的感觉、你在网上看到的几个帖子，就要别人相信？可能吗？ |
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@周一沉 2017-08-26 06:41:16 关于共济会，它的存在本身不是秘密，不需要任何怀疑，因为Toronto就有一所会馆。 ----------------------------- @San若梦 2017-08-26 07:36:05 我从来没怀疑过共济会的存在啊！还有那些门户网站上市公司的公开信息，我也没怀疑过啊！ 问题是你自己看看你的原话嘛！重点在哪里？重点在这里呀：【而国内几大门户网站的幕后与美.帝的fake news幕后是同一只黑.手！】 这么个惊世骇俗的结论，就凭你的感觉、你在网上看到的几个帖子，就要别人相信？可能吗？ ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-26 08:06:05 嗯，嘿嘿，从哪里看出我只是凭我的感觉和网上看到的几个帖子？嘿嘿，你这个，嘿嘿嘿嘿，不能以自己的那什么就以为别人也那什么啊，这个有些俗话是有道理的，嘿嘿 ----------------------------- 从你发在这里的帖子看出来的呀！你的帖子从来都只是甩出结论，别管结论多吓人。每次我追着你要证据，你都不是不理，就是东拉西扯，那我当然就以为你只是凭感觉，压根儿就没有能服人的证据了。这没问题吧？ |
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@周一沉 2017-08-26 08:23:45 不过呢，这个，楼主，你对明朝灭亡满清入关之后一直到常凯申转进台湾这段中国历史读过多少？如果楼主在这方面比较自信的话我是非常乐意请教的哈。 ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-26 08:39:14 当然，请教完中国历史的问题还有些世界历史的问题需要请教哈，因为我这个才华不怎么横溢，所以疑问比较多，嘿嘿 ----------------------------- 别请教我，我读书少。但我就懂一个道理，空口说白话没用。没有至少能够服我自己的证据，我不会大喇喇甩个结论出来。 |
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@周一沉 2017-08-26 06:41:16 关于共济会，它的存在本身不是秘密，不需要任何怀疑，因为Toronto就有一所会馆。 ----------------------------- @San若梦 2017-08-26 07:36:05 我从来没怀疑过共济会的存在啊！还有那些门户网站上市公司的公开信息，我也没怀疑过啊！ 问题是你自己看看你的原话嘛！重点在哪里？重点在这里呀：【而国内几大门户网站的幕后与美.帝的fake news幕后是同一只黑.手！】 这么个惊世骇俗的结论，就凭你的感觉、你在网上看到的几个帖子，就要别人相信？可能吗？ ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-26 08:06:05 嗯，嘿嘿，从哪里看出我只是凭我的感觉和网上看到的几个帖子？嘿嘿，你这个，嘿嘿嘿嘿，不能以自己的那什么就以为别人也那什么啊，这个有些俗话是有道理的，嘿嘿 ----------------------------- @San若梦 2017-08-26 08:46:01 从你发在这里的帖子看出来的呀！你的帖子从来都只是甩出结论，别管结论多吓人。每次我追着你要证据，你都不是不理，就是东拉西扯，那我当然就以为你只是凭感觉，压根儿就没有能服人的证据了。这没问题吧？ ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-26 08:51:11 当然有问题了。但是呢，楼主可能不明白问题在哪儿，简单讲，都是敏感词。还有，从今年10月1日开始，要在网上发帖跟帖评论，必须实名认证。 ----------------------------- OK，要这么说我接受，就是说你有支撑结论的证据，但是不方便在公共论坛摆出来。 但是我对于你不能摆出来的证据的证据力还是大大存疑，原因就是支撑这个结论的证据，凭常识就知道不是轻意能够获取的。 |
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@周一沉 2017-08-26 08:23:45 不过呢，这个，楼主，你对明朝灭亡满清入关之后一直到常凯申转进台湾这段中国历史读过多少？如果楼主在这方面比较自信的话我是非常乐意请教的哈。 ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-26 08:39:14 当然，请教完中国历史的问题还有些世界历史的问题需要请教哈，因为我这个才华不怎么横溢，所以疑问比较多，嘿嘿 ----------------------------- @San若梦 2017-08-26 08:50:47 别请教我，我读书少。但我就懂一个道理，空口说白话没用。没有至少能够服我自己的证据，我不会大喇喇甩个结论出来。 ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-26 08:58:34 唉，嘿嘿，我呢有个优点，对自己不是很了解很有把握的事，我是只听不说，对自己没把握做到的事绝不允诺。 ----------------------------- 哈哈哈～～笑晕！ 一沉我都怀疑我们是不是生活在同一个时空里～～：） |
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This again combines imprinting, a psychological factor, with body build, a physical attribute. The difficulty of proving (not only assuming), imprinting lies in the fact that parents may not remember the det ails in their households during the very early lives of their children and the patients themselves can hardly help. But their incongruous gender role is already recognizable when they are still very small.[18] |
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@San若梦 2017-08-26 09:04:16 This again combines imprinting, a psychological factor, with body build, a physical attribute. The difficulty of proving (not only assuming), imprinting lies in the fact that parents may not remember the details in their households during the very early lives of their children and the patients themselves can hardly help. But their incongruous gender role is already recognizable when they are still very small.[18] ----------------------------- 这又是把刻印这个心理性因素与体魄这个身体属性结合起来了。 要证实（而不仅仅是臆想）刻印的困难，在于这个事实——父母可能并不记得他们孩子最早时候家里的细节，而病人们自己几乎不能提供任何帮助。然而他们不协调的性别角色在很小时就意识到了。 |
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CHILDHOODCONDITIONING In the scientific literature, the psychologically harmful influences in childhood, so-called "conditioning," are the most frequently mentioned and most widely accepted causes of transvestism, transsexualism, as well as homosexuality. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 01:12:37 CHILDHOODCONDITIONING In the scientific literature, the psychologically harmful influences in childhood, so-called "conditioning," are the most frequently mentioned and most widely accepted causes of transvestism, transsexualism, as well as homosexuality. ----------------------------- 儿时条件作用 科学文献里，在儿时心理上造成伤害的影响，即所谓的“条件作用”，是最经常被提及并广泛接受的导致易装欲、变性欲、以及同性恋的起因。 |
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Literally, or in substance, here are statements that were made to me by transsexual patients: I know my parents were disappointed when I was born a boy. They were so much hoping for a girl. My mother wanted me to be a girl and secretly dressed me as a girl and brought me up that way till I was old enough to go to school. I am an only child and I was pampered by my parents. They let me play with the toys I wanted and they were the ones that girls prefer, like dolls, etc. I was raised the only boy among five sisters and I was always envious of their nice dresses and wanted to be like them. My parents were divorced when I was very young and I hardly knew my father. My mother raised me. . . My parents died when I was very young and my grandparents raised me and let me have my own way. I remember, my mother occasionally punished me for something I had done by making me wear my sister's dress to humiliate me. I was never a "real boy" and my father wanted to make me one. He hated me for my lack of masculinity and showed me his dislike. He always preferred my sister and gave her all she wanted. I envied her. I hated my father and I still hate him. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 03:22:05 Literally, or in substance, here are statements that were made to me by transsexual patients: I know my parents were disappointed when I was born a boy. They were so much hoping for a girl. My mother wanted me to be a girl and secretly dressed me as a girl and brought me up that way till I was old enough to go to school. I am an only child and I was pampered by my parents. They let me play with the toys I wanted and they were the ones that girls prefer, like dolls, etc. I was raised the only boy among five sisters and I was always envious of their nice dresses and wanted to be like them. My parents were divorced when I was very young and I hardly knew my father. My mother raised me. . . My parents died when I was very young and my grandparents raised me and let me have my own way. I remember, my mother occasionally punished me for something I had done by making me wear my sister's dress to humiliate me. I was never a "real boy" and my father wanted to make me one. He hated me for my lack of masculinity and showed me his dislike. He always preferred my sister and gave her all she wanted. I envied her. I hated my father and I still hate him. ----------------------------- 以下是我的变性欲病人向我讲述的，有的是逐字逐句的说明，有的是大意： 我知道父母对我生而为男孩很失望，他们好希望是个女孩。 我妈妈想要我是个女孩，暗地里把我打扮成女孩，并且把我当女孩教养，直到我长到学龄。 我是独子，父母很宠溺，他们让我玩任何我想要玩的玩具，而那些玩具都是女孩喜欢的，比如洋娃娃之类。 我是唯一一个男孩，跟五个姐妹一起长大，一直就嫉妒她们漂亮的裙子，并且想跟她们一样。 我父母在我很小时就离婚了，我几乎不认识父亲，是母亲把我养大…… 我父母在我很小时就过世了，是祖父母把我养大，他们任我自由成长。我还记得当我犯了错，我妈妈偶尔会惩罚我，逼我穿姐姐的裙子来羞辱我。 我从来就不是一个“真正的男孩”但我父亲想使我成为一个。他恨我缺乏阳刚气并且让我知道他的不喜。他从来都偏心我的姐妹，给她一切她想要的。我嫉妒她，恨过父亲并且现在还恨着。 |
| Many similar early histories of transsexuals as well as of transvestites could be gleaned from the literature and certainly from my private correspondence. (See also the case histories in R. E. L. Masters' chapter). Lukianowicz [19] in his comprehensive survey not only relates some of his own observations, but quotes at length those of other authors. The possibility should, however, not be overlooked, that some of these patients may prefer such explanation to an inborn one and therefore allow a wish to be the father of their thought. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 03:56:10 Many similar early histories of transsexuals as well as of transvestites could be gleaned from the literature and certainly from my private correspondence. (See also the case histories in R. E. L. Masters' chapter). Lukianowicz [19] in his comprehensive survey not only relates some of his own observations, but quotes at length those of other authors. The possibility should, however, not be overlooked, that some of these patients may prefer such explanation to an inborn one and therefore allow a wish to be the father of their thought. ----------------------------- 许多类似的关于变性欲及易装欲的早期历史，可以从文献及我的私人往来信件里收集到。（见R. E. L. Masters那章的案例历史）。Lukianowicz在他综合性的问卷调查中，不仅联系他自己的观察，还大篇幅引用别的作者。然而，有一种可能性不应该被忽略，那就是这些病人中的一部分，可能更偏向于这种解释甚于先天性的原因，所以他们就允许一个愿望成为思想之父。 |
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Buchner found among his 262 TVs (with a small but unknown percentage of TSs) the following: Family Background Percentage Parents divorced or separated before 18. 18 Father good masculine image 75 Father dominant 52 Mother dominant 42 |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 04:24:01 Buchner found among his 262 TVs (with a small but unknown percentage of TSs) the following: Family Background Percentage Parents divorced or separated before 18. 18 Father good masculine image 75 Father dominant 52 Mother dominan 42 ----------------------------- Buchner对他的262名易装欲（有很小的未知比例的变性欲）病人，做了如下统计： 家庭背景 百分比 18岁前父母离异 18 父亲形像阳刚 75 父亲强势 52 母亲强势 42 |
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@岁前San若梦 2017-08-27 06:06:42 These figures are based on the first eighteen years of life. Taking a more vital earlier period, conditioning may be much more important. "Janet Thompson" says: "It seems evident to me that the inception of TVism falls in the one- to five-year-old period of the child' s life as a result of faulty, incomplete, or distorted sex identification." ----------------------------- 这些数据是基于18岁前的生活。在更重要、更早期的阶段，条件作用也许更加重要。"Janet Thompson" 说：“我觉得显而易见的是，易装欲始于孩子的一岁到五岁之间，是错误的、不健全的、或者变态的性别认知的结果。 |
| There can be no doubt that unfavorable early childhood experiences can constitute truly corrosive emotional traumata. That can neither be denied nor minimized. Yet, for the sake of scientific objectivity, it should be repeated here that many similar histories from the first few years of life can be elicited from persons who grew into perfectly normal adulthood later on. Those histories rarely become known, simply because "normal," well- adjusted men and women do not go to psychologists as a rule and one would have to look among one's friends and acquaintances for examples. With a little effort, they would be readily available. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 06:17:52 There can be no doubt that unfavorable early childhood experiences can constitute truly corrosive emotional traumata. That can neither be denied nor minimized. Yet, for the sake of scientific objectivity, it should be repeated here that many similar histories from the first few years of life can be elicited from persons who grew into perfectly normal adulthood later on. Those histories rarely become known, simply because "normal," well- adjusted men and women do not go to psychologists as a rule and one would have to look among one's friends and acquaintances for examples. With a little effort, they would be readily available. ----------------------------- 毫无疑问儿时不愉快的经历能够造成真正有害的精神上的创伤，这点既不应否认也不能忽视（？）。但是，为科学的客观性，在此应该再次说明，很多类似的关于孩提时的历史也被那些后来长成完全正常的成年人提出过。这样的历史很少为人所知，只不过因为“正常的”、心态调整得很好的男人和女人们一般都不会去看心理医生，人们得要从亲朋好友中寻找例证。只要稍加努力，这样的例证比比皆是。 |
| We all know men who lost their fathers at an early age, devoted their lives for years and years to their mothers, and by all psychoanalytic theories should have become homosexuals, transvestites, or transsexuals. But they did not. They had girl friends off and on and married as soon as the mother had passed away. It seems to me that conditioning cannot be the whole story. Unless there is a constitutional weakness, conditioning won't "take." Around the turn of the century, it was widely customary to raise boys almost the same as girls. They kept their long curls and wore dresses till they were five or six, that is to say, during rather critical years. Winston Churchill was one of those children, according to early pictures of him. Were there more transvestites, and the like then than there are now? Certainly not. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 08:19:18 We all know men who lost their fathers at an early age, devoted their lives for years and years to their mothers, and by all psychoanalytic theories should have become homosexuals, transvestites, or transsexuals. But they did not. They had girl friends off and on and married as soon as the mother had passed away. It seems to me that conditioning cannot be the whole story. Unless there is a constitutional weakness, conditioning won't "take." Around the turn of the century, it was widely customary to raise boys almost the same as girls. They kept their long curls and wore dresses till they were five or six, that is to say, during rather critical years. Winston Churchill was one of those children, according to early pictures of him. Were there more transvestites, and the like then than there are now? Certainly not. ----------------------------- 我们都知道幼年丧父的男性，一年又一年地把他们的人生奉献给他们的母亲，然后根据所有精神分析法理论，他们都应该变成同性恋、易装欲、或是变性欲。但是他们并没有，他们一会儿有女朋友一会儿没有，等他们的母亲一过世马上就结了婚。我觉得条件作用不可能是故事的全貌，除非有一种结构性的弱点，条件作用并不能“起作用”。本世纪之交那时，普遍的习俗是男孩子差不多跟女孩子一样被养大，他们至到五、六岁——也即相当关键的几年——还留着长长的卷发，穿着裙子。看早年的照片，温斯顿·丘吉尔就是那些男孩中的一个。那么那时候有比现在更多的易装欲之类的吗？当然没有。 |
| A question of cause and effect should be raised in this connection. Could it not be that a constitutionally rather feminine-looking boy "conditioned" his parents so that they were inclined to forget about the tiny sex organs and reared him as a girl until it was time to send him to school? Especially if they had hoped for a girl? |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 09:05:29 A question of cause and effect should be raised in this connection. Could it not be that a constitutionally rather feminine-looking boy "conditioned" his parents so that they were inclined to forget about the tiny sex organs and reared him as a girl until it was time to send him to school? Especially if they had hoped for a girl? ----------------------------- 与此相关联的，一个关于起因和影响的问题应该被提出来。难道不能是这样的——一个身材相对比较女人气的男孩“条件作用”了他的父母，所以他们倾向于忘记他那小小的生殖器，而把他当女孩子养，至到学龄——吗？尤其是假如他们本来就希望来个女孩？ |
| "He always looked and behaved more like a girl than a boy," is the explanation that parents gave to me to justify their errors. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 09:19:47 "He always looked and behaved more like a girl than a boy," is the explanation that parents gave to me to justify their errors. ----------------------------- “他的举止言谈看起来从来都更像个女孩子，甚于男孩子，”这是父母给我的解释，以此来为他们的错误辩护。 |
| Whenever "conditioning" went against a healthy boy's true nature, no harm was done. As soon as he was old enough, he would rebel against the girl's dresses, because he wanted to be like all the other boys. But when the false upbringing harmonized with a constitution of a high feminine component, then it was a different story. Then the ground could have been laid for a future sex and gender disharmony. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 09:26:36 Whenever "conditioning" went against a healthy boy's true nature, no harm was done. As soon as he was old enough, he would rebel against the girl's dresses, because he wanted to be like all the other boys. But when the false upbringing harmonized with a constitution of a high feminine component, then it was a different story. Then the ground could have been laid for a future sex and gender disharmony. ----------------------------- 当“条件作用”违背一个健康男孩的真实本性时，不会造成任何伤害，一旦足够大了，他就会反抗女孩的裙子等等，因为他想跟别的那些男孩一样。但当错误的养育方式与一种高度女性化的结构相协调时，那就是另外的故事了，那可能就是为将来性与性别的不和谐打下了基础。 |
| In one case that I observed some years ago, a kind of reverse situation actually seemed to exist. The parents were very glad to have the boy that was born to them, but at the age of three or four the child became very unhappy and difficult and wanted to be dressed and treated "like all other girls." The parents and two older sisters fought for a son and a brother, but finally had to give in to keep the peace. They allowed the little boy to wear girl's dresses, but insisted on a regular boy's haircut. These constituted the most distressing moments in the boy's life. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-27 09:55:24 In one case that I observed some years ago, a kind of reverse situation actually seemed to exist. The parents were very glad to have the boy that was born to them, but at the age of three or four the child became very unhappy and difficult and wanted to be dressed and treated "like all other girls." The parents and two older sisters fought for a son and a brother, but finally had to give in to keep the peace. They allowed the little boy to wear girl's dresses, but insisted on a regular boy's haircut. These constituted the most distressing moments in the boy's life. ----------------------------- 有一个我几年前曾观察过的案例，看起来似乎相反的情形实际上也存在。这对父母非常快乐地生了个男孩，但三、四岁的时候孩子变得很不开心且难相处，他想穿女孩子的裙装，并且被“像别的所有女孩”那样对待。父母和他两个姐妹为他们的儿子和兄弟而斗争，但最后只得为和平而放弃，他们允许他穿女孩的裙子，但坚持他得留正常的男孩发型——而这导致了男孩生活中最苦恼的时刻。 |
| Finally, he had to go to school as a boy and grew up into an extremely feminine-looking transsexual and transvestite. Desperately clamoring to have a conversion operation performed, he was studied by two groups of psychiatrists at the University of ______. One group recommended the operation as the only way to protect the patient's sanity. The other group advised against it, because they considered it unlikely that it would solve the underlying psychological problems. Psychotherapy was attempted for a short time, but failed, perhaps owing to the patient's lack of cooperation. With financial help from the mother who was sympathetic toward a change, the patient at last went abroad and succeeded in realizing his life's ambition. The operation was performed, but only partially so. For unknown reasons, no vagina was constructed at that time. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 04:39:32 Finally, he had to go to school as a boy and grew up into an extremely feminine-looking transsexual and transvestite. Desperately clamoring to have a conversion operation performed, he was studied by two groups of psychiatrists at the University of ______. One group recommended the operation as the only way to protect the patient's sanity. The other group advised against it, because they considered it unlikely that it would solve the underlying psychological problems. Psychotherapy was attempted for a short time, but failed, perhaps owing to the patient's lack of cooperation. With financial help from the mother who was sympathetic toward a change, the patient at last went abroad and succeeded in realizing his life's ambition. The operation was performed, but only partially so. For unknown reasons, no vagina was constructed at that time. ----------------------------- 他还是以男孩身份去上学，但最终成长为一个外表特别女性气的变性欲及易装欲。他不顾一切地吁求想做变性手术，并由某大学的两组精神病学家对他进行研究。一组建议手术，认为那是维持他心智健全的唯一办法；但另一组反对，因为他们不认为那样会解决他的心理问题。精神分析疗法也对他试了一阵但失败了，原因很可能归于病人缺乏合作。借助母亲——她是偏向变性手术的——的资助，这位病人最后终于飞去国外，成功实现他人生的野心。变性手术做了，但只是部份的，不知出于什么原因，那次没做阴.道重建。 |
| In spite of that defect, the patient seemed more contented and emotionally better balanced when I saw him several weeks after the operation: better, at least, than on a visit to my office two years prior. He went to work as a woman, but the desire to become more complete never left him. After another two years, he returned to Europe for his vaginal plastic. The last I heard was that the operation was not successful because a fistula formed between the artificial vagina and the rectum. A further operation, however, may in the meantime have corrected this condition. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 06:11:58 In spite of that defect, the patient seemed more contented and emotionally better balanced when I saw him several weeks after the operation: better, at least, than on a visit to my office two years prior. He went to work as a woman, but the desire to become more complete never left him. After another two years, he returned to Europe for his vaginal plastic. The last I heard was that the operation was not successful because a fistula formed between the artificial vagina and the rectum. A further operation, however, may in the meantime have corrected this condition. ----------------------------- 即便有缺憾，这位病人在手术后几周我见到他时看起来更满足、精神上更平衡：至少比两年前来我办公室时更好。他随即开始以女性身份工作，但变得更彻底的欲望从未消失。又过了两年，他重返欧洲去做阴.道构建手术。我最后听到的消息是手术并不成功，因为在人造阴.道与直肠之间形成的一个瘘管。但更进一步的手术，可能同时已经矫正了这个问题。 |
| In any event, this case seems to prove that an unknown constitutional factor was at the bottom of the gender disorientation and that "conditioning" evidently played no part in this instance. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 06:30:26 In any event, this case seems to prove that an unknown constitutional factor was at the bottom of the gender disorientation and that "conditioning" evidently played no part in this instance. ----------------------------- 无论如何，这起案例看起来证明了，一个未知的构造性因素是性别认知错位的基础，而“条件作用”显然在该例事件中并未起作用。 |
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As reported in a lecture at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Jacobi Hospital) in April 1964, in 122 cases of male transsexualism among my own patients, conditioning in childhood could be shown in twenty-five cases (20 per cent). To this figure we may possibly add thirty-two doubtful cases (26 per cent). In 64 cases (56 per cent), no evidence of conditioning could be found. (In three cases, the early history was unknown.) |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 06:54:42 As reported in a lecture at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Jacobi Hospital) in April 1964, in 122 cases of male transsexualism among my own patients, conditioning in childhood could be shown in twenty-five cases (20 per cent). To this figure we may possibly add thirty-two doubtful cases (26 per cent). In 64 cases (56 per cent), no evidence of conditioning could be found. (In three cases, the early history was unknown.) ----------------------------- 1964年4月在阿伯特·爱因思坦医学院（杰克布医院）所作演讲中，我报告了在我的122例男性变性欲病人中，显示出童年时有条件作用的有24例（百分之二十）。我们还可以给这个数据加上32例存疑的（百分之二十六）。64例（百分之五十六）里没有任何条件作用被发现。（3例里童年历史未知。） |
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C. V. Prince, editor of Transvestia, also investigated the probable frequency of conditioning by sending out questionnaires to 166 known transvestites, containing an unknown but small number of transsexuals. Conditioning was reported in "fewer than 20 per cent," according to Prince, who published his findings in Sexology Magazine.[20] |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 07:07:24 C. V. Prince, editor of Transvestia, also investigated the probable frequency of conditioning by sending out questionnaires to 166 known transvestites, containing an unknown but small number of transsexuals. Conditioning was reported in "fewer than 20 per cent," according to Prince, who published his findings in Sexology Magazine.[20] ----------------------------- 《易装欲》主编C. V. Prince也调查过条件作用可能发生的频率。她给166位已知的易装欲者——其中包括未知的很小数目的变性欲者——发去问卷调查，并将其发现在《性学杂志》上发表，结果是条件作用据报“不足百分之二十”。 |
| More recently, H. Taylor Buchner, from the Survey Research Center of the University of California, who had sent out a questionnaire to 262 subscribers of Transvestia (mostly transvestites) reported the following data as far as the problem of conditioning is concerned: |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 11:17:28 More recently, H. Taylor Buchner, from the Survey Research Center of the University of California, who had sent out a questionnaire to 262 subscribers of Transvestia (mostly transvestites) reported the following data as far as the problem of conditioning is concerned: ----------------------------- 更近期，加州大学问卷调查中心的H. Taylor Buchner给《易装欲》的262名订阅者（大部分都是易装欲者）发出问卷，并报告了如下与条件作用有关的数据： |
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Childhood Percentage Treated as a girl because mother wanted a girl 4 Made to wear dresses as a punishment 3 Kept in curls longer than other boys 6 Treated just as any other boy, as far as can be remembered 84 |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 11:27:56 Childhood Percentage Treated as a girl because mother wanted a girl 4 Made to wear dresses as a punishment 3 Kept in curls longer than other boys 6 Treated just as any other boy, as far as can be remembered 84 ----------------------------- 童年生活 百分比 因为妈妈想要女孩所以被当作女孩 4 被逼穿裙子作为惩罚 3 留着比别的男孩长的卷发 6 记忆里都是跟别的男孩一样被对待 84 |
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Summarizing my impression, I would like to repeat here what I said in my first lecture on the subject more than ten years ago: Our genetic and endocrine equipment constitutes either an unresponsive, sterile, or a more or less responsive, that is to say, fertile soil on which the wrong conditioning and a psychic trauma can grow and develop into such a basic conflict that subsequently a deviation like transsexualism can result. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 11:32:41 Summarizing my impression, I would like to repeat here what I said in my first lecture on the subject more than ten years ago: Our genetic and endocrine equipment constitutes either an unresponsive, sterile, or a more or less responsive, that is to say, fertile soil on which the wrong conditioning and a psychic trauma can grow and develop into such a basic conflict that subsequently a deviation like transsexualism can result. ----------------------------- 总结一下我的印像，在此我想要重复一遍十几年前第一次演讲时说过的话： 我们的遗传及内分泌机制，构建了一个或者反应迟钝、毫无繁殖力，或者多少有些反应即有繁殖力的土地，在这上面错误的条件作用以及心理创伤能够成长发育为如此基本的冲突，以至于产生这种像变性欲的偏差。 |
| To express it differently, our organic sexual constitution, that is to say, the chromosomal sex, supported and maintained by the endocrine, form the substance and the material that make up our sexuality. Psychological conditioning in early life would determine its final shape and individual function. The substance is largely inaccessible to treatment. The function alone would be the domain of psychotherapy. |
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@看云听雨小家伙 2017-08-28 11:34:32 浮生若梦 ----------------------------- @周一沉 2017-08-28 11:47:12 这个是成语吗？ ----------------------------- 是。刚查的： 成语解释：浮生：空虚不实的人生；若：象。把人生当作短暂虚幻的梦境。 成语出处：庄周《庄子 刻意》：“其生若浮，其死若休。” |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 12:00:44 To express it differently, our organic sexual constitution, that is to say, the chromosomal sex, supported and maintained by the endocrine, form the substance and the material that make up our sexuality. Psychological conditioning in early life would determine its final shape and individual function. The substance is largely inaccessible to treatment. The function alone would be the domain of psychotherapy. ----------------------------- 换言之，我们有机体的性构造即染色体性——由内分泌系统支撑并维持着——形成了构建我们的性的实体和物质。早期心理学上的条件作用可能决定了它最终的形状及个体的功能。实体极大程度上是无法医治的，而单独谈功能则是精神分析法的地盘。 |
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Nonsurgical Management of Transsexualism The management of transsexualism is, in the majority of cases, radically different from that of transvestism. Although this volume does not deal with transvestism specifically, a few remarks as to the therapy of this less serious deviation, in comparison with TSism, may be in order. ? Therapy in transvestism ? Psychological guidance in transsexualism ? Psychotherapy in transsexualism ? Estrogen therapy ? Estrogenic Preparations |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 12:38:18 Nonsurgical Management of Transsexualism The management of transsexualism is, in the majority of cases, radically different from that of transvestism. Although this volume does not deal with transvestism specifically, a few remarks as to the therapy of this less serious deviation, in comparison with TSism, may be in order. ? Therapy in transvestism ? Psychological guidance in transsexualism ? Psychotherapy in transsexualism ? Estrogen therapy ? Estrogenic Preparations ----------------------------- 变性欲非手术的处理方法 对变性欲的处理方法，大多数案例都与对易装欲的完全不同。仅管本书并非特别讨论易装欲，但有几个关于此一相对变性欲较为轻微偏差的治疗，也许会要提及。 · 易装欲的治疗 ·变性欲的心理指导 · 变性欲的精神分析疗法 · 雌性激素治疗 · 雌性激素的准备 |
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Therapy in transvestism The true transvestite as a rule does not want any treatment. Doctors do not see them except in rare instances. They want nothing from the medical profession. They merely want to be left alone to pursue their own particular form of happiness, that is to say, "dressing," and rather want society to be treated educationally so that a more tolerant attitude would gradually emerge. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 12:55:07 Therapy in transvestism The true transvestite as a rule does not want any treatment. Doctors do not see them except in rare instances. They want nothing from the medical profession. They merely want to be left alone to pursue their own particular form of happiness, that is to say, "dressing," and rather want society to be treated educationally so that a more tolerant attitude would gradually emerge. ----------------------------- · 易装欲的治疗 真正的易装欲者一般都不要治疗，医生们也是在很罕见的案例里才看他们。他们无需求助医学界，仅仅是想不被打扰地追求他们特殊形式的幸福，也即“易装”，并且希望社会能提高教育程度，以至于一个更加宽容的态度能逐渐形成。 |
| There are instances, however, when transvestism may be a great handicap for the patient and he would then be ready to undergo treatment with the hope of being cured of his strange and embarrassing compulsion. He may be in love with a girl whom he wants to marry and who would not tolerate transvestism. He may be disturbed and annoyed with himself or feel that his job is endangered. Or his family may have found out and may urge him to seek psychiatric help. Psychotherapy, possibly with hypnosis, would then be the method of choice, and if the patient persists long enough in an honest wish to be cured ("honest" at least in his conscious mind), success may be attained. There are former transvestites who claim that they have overcome their desires, but relapses have occurred so often that the state of an actual cure must, at least for the first few years, be considered uncertain. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 23:27:50 There are instances, however, when transvestism may be a great handicap for the patient and he would then be ready to undergo treatment with the hope of being cured of his strange and embarrassing compulsion. He may be in love with a girl whom he wants to marry and who would not tolerate transvestism. He may be disturbed and annoyed with himself or feel that his job is endangered. Or his family may have found out and may urge him to seek psychiatric help. Psychotherapy, possibly with hypnosis, would then be the method of choice, and if the patient persists long enough in an honest wish to be cured ("honest" at least in his conscious mind), success may be attained. There are former transvestites who claim that they have overcome their desires, but relapses have occurred so often that the state of an actual cure must, at least for the first few years, be considered uncertain. ----------------------------- 但在有些案例中，易装欲可能对病人来说是个很大的缺陷，他也许就会准备接受治疗，希望能治愈自己奇怪而令人难堪的强迫性冲动。他也许爱上了一个女孩并想跟她结婚，但对方不能容忍易装欲。他也许深受困扰并对自己生气，或是感觉工作受到威胁。或者是他的家庭发现了，然后敦促他去寻求精神上的帮助。精神分析疗法，也许再加上催眠术，被选为治疗方法，然后假如病人诚实地（至少在他意识清醒的头脑里“诚实”）想要被治愈的希望持续足够长时间，那就有可能成功。有一些曾经的易装欲者声明他们已经克服了自己的欲望，但旧病复发经常发生，以至于真实的治愈至少在最初几年应该被看着不确定。 |
| Furthermore, a form of "substitute" deviation or neurosis may develop. Overt homosexual behavior or alcoholism have in some instances taken the place of the former cross-dressing and a return to it may finally be the lesser evil. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-28 23:57:15 Furthermore, a form of "substitute" deviation or neurosis may develop. Overt homosexual behavior or alcoholism have in some instances taken the place of the former cross-dressing and a return to it may finally be the lesser evil. ----------------------------- 更进一步的，某种形式的“替代”偏差或是神经官能症可能会产生。某些情况下明显的同性恋举止或酗酒代替了之前的易装，而恢复易装最终可能是较为不那么罪恶的。 |
| The form of psychotherapy applied in transvestism depends entirely on the attitude of the therapist. He may be permissive and merely guide the patient to accept himself as he is and to live with his peculiarity without getting into trouble with society or the law. That, of course, would not be curative. Or, more often, he may use almost any kind of psychotherapy, including deep and long-continued analysis or hypnosis, for effecting a cure. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-29 03:17:30 The form of psychotherapy applied in transvestism depends entirely on the attitude of the therapist. He may be permissive and merely guide the patient to accept himself as he is and to live with his peculiarity without getting into trouble with society or the law. That, of course, would not be curative. Or, more often, he may use almost any kind of psychotherapy, including deep and long-continued analysis or hypnosis, for effecting a cure. ----------------------------- 精神分析疗法用于易装欲的形式完全取决于分析师的态度。他也许很宽容，只是指导病人在不与社会或法律发生冲突的前提下，接受自己的本来面目，与自身的怪癖和谐共处。那当然不可能治病。或者更经常的，他可能采用任何形式的精神分析疗法，包括深度的、连续很长时间的分析或催眠，以期达到治愈的目的。 |
| For any success, much will also depend upon the atmosphere in which such patients continue to live. Part of the curative treatment would have to be removal from transvestitic temptations, friends, transvestitic literature, and the like, as completely as possible. To continue in the old surroundings would be like trying to treat an alcoholic inside a brewery or a bar. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-29 05:41:26 For any success, much will also depend upon the atmosphere in which such patients continue to live. Part of the curative treatment would have to be removal from transvestitic temptations, friends, transvestitic literature, and the like, as completely as possible. To continue in the old surroundings would be like trying to treat an alcoholic inside a brewery or a bar. ----------------------------- 任何的成功，很多都取决于病人持续生活其间的环境。治疗方案的一部分就是要最大限度地消除易装的诱惑、朋友、易装欲文字之类。继续生活在老的环境中，就像在酿酒厂或是酒吧里试图让酗酒者戒酒一样。 |
| Transvestites are known to have stopped "dressing" completely while in the armed services, although frustration may have been more or less severe. But a return to transvestism was almost unavoidable when they returned to their former environments or even to ordinary city life. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-29 05:53:50 Transvestites are known to have stopped "dressing" completely while in the armed services, although frustration may have been more or less severe. But a return to transvestism was almost unavoidable when they returned to their former environments or even to ordinary city life. ----------------------------- 易装欲者据知在军队里都完全停止了“易装”，虽然可能受挫感或多或少很严重，但一当回到以前的环境甚至普通的城市生活，恢复易装欲几乎是不可避免的。 |
| The alcoholic may join Alcoholics Anonymous and may find help that way, but the transvestite has, at least as yet, no parallel institution to cling to. Wherever he goes, he is surrounded by attractively dressed women whom he envies passionately, by lingerie shops, by shoe stores (fascinating if he is a shoe fetishist), and so on. The enticement is all around and his plight is a serious one. He would have to retire to a lonely island to be free from outside temptation. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-29 06:02:54 The alcoholic may join Alcoholics Anonymous and may find help that way, but the transvestite has, at least as yet, no parallel institution to cling to. Wherever he goes, he is surrounded by attractively dressed women whom he envies passionately, by lingerie shops, by shoe stores (fascinating if he is a shoe fetishist), and so on. The enticement is all around and his plight is a serious one. He would have to retire to a lonely island to be free from outside temptation. ----------------------------- 酗酒者可以参加戒酒者协会，但变性欲者至少目前还没有类似组织可以依靠。不管去到哪里，他周围都有令他热烈嫉妒的打扮诱人的妇女、性感内衣商店、鞋店（使人神魂颠倒的假如他是恋鞋癖者的话）等等等等。诱惑无处不在，而他的困境深重，只能退守孤城以抵御外部环境的诱惑。 |
| It has been said that transvestites can simply use will power and stop "dressing" and then they will be cured. That is nonsense. Many have tried, have burned their female wardrobes, "purging" themselves, so to say, but without psychiatric or other help, a relapse was almost unavoidable. If the transvestitic urge (no matter whether basically fetishistic or latent transsexual) is forcibly suppressed, it is likely to find a different outlet through some other, perhaps more serious neurotic syndrome unless, of course, it is successfully treated psychiatrically, or a completely new interest such as marriage to the right kind of girl will prove strong enough to act as a cure. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-29 08:16:06 It has been said that transvestites can simply use will power and stop "dressing" and then they will be cured. That is nonsense. Many have tried, have burned their female wardrobes, "purging" themselves, so to say, but without psychiatric or other help, a relapse was almost unavoidable. If the transvestitic urge (no matter whether basically fetishistic or latent transsexual) is forcibly suppressed, it is likely to find a different outlet through some other, perhaps more serious neurotic syndrome unless, of course, it is successfully treated psychiatrically, or a completely new interest such as marriage to the right kind of girl will prove strong enough to act as a cure. ----------------------------- 有人说易装欲者只要用点意志力，停止“易装”就可以被治愈了。这纯属废话。许多都试过，把他们的女装烧了，即使自己“净化”，但假如没有精神上的或别的帮助，旧病复发几乎是不可避免的。假如易装的欲望（不管是基本的恋物癖还是潜在的变性欲）被强制压抑，很大可能它会找到另一个发泄途径，可能还是更为严重的神经性综合症——当然，除非精神上的治疗很成功，或者一个全新的兴趣，比如与一个对的女孩的婚姻，能证明强大到足够治愈。 |
| The uncertainty of psychotherapeutic results is illustrated by some new and rather outlandish form of therapy that was recently publicized in the medical [1] as well as the lay press. It has been called "Behavior" or "Aversion" therapy. |
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@San若梦 2017-08-29 13:16:17 The uncertainty of psychotherapeutic results is illustrated by some new and rather outlandish form of therapy that was recently publicized in the medical [1] as well as the lay press. It has been called "Behavior" or "Aversion" therapy. ----------------------------- 精神分析疗法结果的不确定性，能用一些新的、相当稀奇古怪的治疗形式来说明。这些最近发表在医学及外行的新闻媒体上，被称作“举止”或“厌恶”疗法。 |
| The transvestitic patient is given an emetic drug (such as apomorphine). As soon as nausea develops, he has to view slides of himself dressed as a woman, prepared beforehand, and at the same time he has to listen to tape recordings describing in detail the mode and technique of "dressing." This form of treatment continues until vomiting occurs or acute illness prevents continuation. |
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